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« on: June 19, 2009, 03:47:38 pm »
Section A: Physical Deterrent s are the most effective way to stop a thief from taking the whole car.

1) Myth #1:Tints will hide what I have.
One common mistake people make is to leaves things out in plain sight. Just don\'t do it. No Ipods. No exposed guages. Remove the face of any radio. If you must have amps and a sub, HIDE IT WELL. TINTS DO NOT HIDE ANYTHING. Any person with a flashligh t can see through any darkness of tint, so don't be foolish. Also, once you have dark ass tints, thats going to DRAW attention to your vehicle, which is often the opposite affect people think it will have.

2) Myth #2:The car comes with an OEM steering wheel lock, that'll be enough.
The factory honda shift lock can be broken by a big enough dude, sorry if this freaks some of you out, but its common knowledge, so don't rely on it alone. Get a steering wheel cover and a matching club. The club alone is easily removed by chopping off 2 sections of the steering wheel. The additiona l wheel cover stops this from being possible. Also don't forget you can get a completel y removable steering wheel, if you dont mind carrying it.

3)Manual tranny:
If you have a manual transmiss ion, get a very thick clutch lock. Most of these are usually sold as brake pedal locks but don't bother putting this on the break pedal. I'm not going to elaborate why, but just block off the clutch with it instead.

4)Auto Tranny:
If you have an automatic, get a shift lock. It bolts to the floorboar ds and prevents the shifter from being moved unless you unlock it. I have even seen places in NYC that weld them in for people. Pretty cool idea if you ask me.

5) Disable/Unhook the trunk release handle.
Just use the key to open it from now on. The vulnerabi lity is not worth the convenien ce.

6) Window Warning.
ALWAYS make sure your manual windows are FULLY raised, almost to the point the handle feels like its going to snap. Trust me on this one. Hatchback owners, don't forget your little vents in the back, close and lock them!

7) Myth #3 My car looks like asshole, has tons of rust, but it runs mid 12\'s. No one will steal it because no one knows.
This one is for you guys with sleepers and a TON of $$$ under the hood: Get Hood Locks and follow the tips below about alarms. You might say expletive that its an eye sore but if ONE shady person figures out what your running, its over. Think about it, can you tell the differenc e between a d15b1 or a worked b-series from laying under the car? So can they.

8) CHEAP and/or FREE:
I worked with a kid who was very poor, but had an LS swap in his sedan. He couldn't afford any sort of alarm, so he took his ECU in the house with him every nite. It might seem a little annoying, but its effective .

Another pretty ghetto one I saw mentioned once before was to put male and female connector s on the wires going to the under hood fusepanel, and take that in everynite . Tedious? Yes. Cost? Free. Effective? You bet your ass. You can also remove the alternato r fuse and the car will only crank, thats another free one that will slow down a would be theif.

9) Kill Switches:
You'll often hear honda guys talking about kill switches. Simply put, you cut the positive wire to your fuel pump, put a switch on it, and hide this switch in the car where only you can find it. PLEASE make sure the switch you use is rated to handle at least 10 amps of current, 20 would be even better. Make sure the back of the switch is taped up well so it doesn't touch the chassis of the car, which will blow a fuse or short the pump....
These are pretty effective but don't go too crazy with them because its very annoying when you get stuck someplace and the fuel pump won't prime.

10) Garage
Fantastic security measure for keeping the car out of sight. A persisten t thief can open a garage, so if you are out of town leaving your baby in the garage, take some additiona l measures for securing your car inside it (hell, take the wheels off and bring your lug nuts on vacation with you), and let your trusted neighbors know to call the cops if there is suspiciou s activity.

11) Blocking
Park the baby facing a wall-- park another vehicle directly behind it. Be creative. It helps if the other car is newer and has chips (transpond ers) in the keys that make them hard to steal. Beware I have heard stories of thieves cutting brake lines and pushing other vehicles out of the way. I know it sounds insane, but there are some real faggot rambos out there.

12) City Parking
Pay a few dollars for an enclosed parking garage that has gates/attendants...not perfect, but much better than the outdoor parking under bridges and on the edge of downtown areas.

13) Theaters, Malls and Sporting Events
Avoid parking your baby at these places at all costs, if possible.

14) Myth #4 People at meets/events are trustwort hy
While meet-ups with friends can be fun, the huge meets are like window shopping for theives. They dont steal your car at the meet, but they take your license tag and note your mods for later reference ...its the first step in casing you. We all want to think people are as honest and considera te as ourselves, but even pretty girls can be up to something . If you go to meets, be aware of this factor, don't ever flaunt your stuff to strangers, and never show your kill switches or other security measures to a stranger.

Thanks to SECURITY for this link:

15) DIY Dead Bolt Door Locks
The remote door locking kit came from JC Whitney. It's designed for cars that don\'t have power locks. Came with 2 actuators, 2 remotes, the and all the hardware you need. Cost was $69.95.

The steel rod is available at any hardware story. Just drill a small hole in the end to connect the actuator to the rod.

The threaded tube from the section of the hardware store. Just find the right ID to be able to slide the steel rod into it. I found the large nuts in the same parts bin, there's one on the inside of the door and one on the outside (visible in photo). Be sure to threadloc k these.

1) remove the inside door panel and carefully pull back the plastic.

2) Drill a hole in the door, the proper size for the thread tube. Install the tube and nuts.

2) After cutting steel rod to the proper length, I just dabbed a little paint on the end of it, closed the door, and fed it into the steel tube (from inside the door) until it touched the door frame. The paint on the end showed me where to drill on the door frame.

3) Install actuator and connect it to the steel rod. The kit came with some rods about the diameter of a coat hanger to make the connectio n. The tough part was just lining everythin g up correctly . Mae sure you test it before you button it all up and make sure that the rod slides smoothly in both direction s and that it doesn't catch on the door frame.

4) As for the emergency release I just used a piece of picture hanging wire and connected it to the steel rod where it meets the actuator. From there, I routed it through the door to a place that's hidden, but accessibl e if necessary . Now if the battery dies or the actuator fails, just pull the wire and the deadbolt opens. It'll be up to you to decide where to route it to.
Here is the deadbolt unlocked:


Here is the deadbolt locked

Here is the hole in the door frame that the deadbolt slides into when the door is closed:


Section B: So you want an Alarm eh?

1) Buy quality alarms!!
Stay away from whitebox shit on ebay. I can't stress this enough. The cheap shit is often missing really useful important features, and many are a total BITCH to program the features once you get it installed .

The DirectEd family of products is the largest distribut or of alarms in the world, and for good reason. Lifetime warranty that they DO stand behind. Reliabili ty and ease of programmi ng make this a no brainer. Sorry to sound like a commercia l and shit but I've been installin g these things for 5 years now. I've seen the rest, these are the best, hands down.

http://www.directed.com/security/default.asp

2) Power Locks
Install power lock actuators inside the doors, that are only controlle d by your alarm.
pssst hint hint: WES V's install is clean and pictures: http://www.performanceforum.co....html

****These NEXT two suggestio ns are great but OPTIONAL, see note below:

3) No Key Handles
Get rear EF Sedan door handles, without key entry points in them. They are identical for Hatch and CRX, just no key slot.


4) Unhook the interior lock switches as well. Set your alarm for Ignition Controlle d Locksso when you turn on your car with the key, the doors will lock. When you arrive at your destinati on and shut off the car the alarm will unlock them for you too.

****note: If you do these 2 mods you are making your car very hard to enter without smashing glass, which a very good thing, BUT if your battery dies you must crawl through the hatch to enter the car, since thats your only manual entry point. Please keep this in mind I don't want to get flamed for this.

4) Passive Arming
Make sure your alarm is set to Passive Arming.Yo u may be saying, ok what the hell does that man? Passive arming means once all zones (doors and hood) are closed, after 30 seconds it will arm and lock for you. So theres no chance you could forget. If you were, lets say too distracte d by some girls ass in the parking lot, etc.

5) Install a Battery Backup. (DEI Part number: 520T)
This little guy is like a battery JUST for your alarm. Disconnec ting the main battery does not stop the alarm from sounding. You need to hide this very well, as its going to be the only thing keeping your alarm sounding if the thief is under your hood.
Also it helps to relocate your main battery inside the car. Sedan guys you weirdos can use the trunk

6) Trunk/Hood Pins
Hook these up always. Grey is hoodpin, solid dark blue is trunk pin. Basically anything that can open without the dome light going on must be connected to your alarm so it knows when something is being messed with.

7) Get creative with sirens!
One thing I often do is Disable Confirmat ion Chirps which means when you hit lock/unlock the alarm makes no noise. Why you may ask? I then mount AN ADDITIONA L large siren under each seat. Now the son of a bitch in the car with the alarm on stuggles to disable it with bleeding eardrums.

Story Time!
I'll give you guys a for instance to illustrat e:

  Thief(aka f*ckhead ninja) thinks hes hot stuff and the first nite he cases the car and try's to gain entry via the door/window. But as explained above, theres no way in hell hes doing that short of smashing my window.

So lets say the second attempt a week later, he prys my hood open. The hoodpin triggers my alarm, as well as the shock sensor from the vibration . Since its a 2-Way paging system the remote is now going off on my hip if I\'m within about a mile of the car.

Meanwhile he frantical ly try's to get the car to shut up, and cuts the main battery cable. Still screaming . Plan B, cut the underhood siren and air horns. Still screaming . At this point a seasoned theif knows hes beat and will run. Any idiot who continues the bullshit finds himself on the wrong end of something that goes boom..... and I calmly break out my self defense story to the police.

8) Alarm Placement .....
Behind the glovebox is a decent spot, basically anywhere BUT under the steering wheel is good. Unless its WAY WAY UP behind the cluster, basically if you have ever stripped an EF of its dash you can probably already think of a few great spots, I'm not going to list them all. Anywhere inside the car is fair game, make sure it stays dry, alarm brains cannot handle the elements.

9) Don't leave them a trace path!!!
When you extend your wires AND make your connectio ns to the ignition harness Follow Factory Routing and Loom. Reloom everythin g you do under there. Which ties in with point 10.

10) LAYER UPON LAYERS OF TAPE.
By the time you re-loom everythin g and then begin taping it all up, you should go though a whole roll making layers around any connectio ns made and your extention s. Your goal here is to make it as tedious as possible. Each annoying thing you throw in the way ups the chances of the person panicking or running. This is the ultimate goal, since you\'re following rule #1, which is leave nothing of value behind, his only option is to get the whole car.

You can also use lawn edging or similar plastic to wrap your wiring. Nissans do this OEM from the factory and it really makes getting at the wires a pain in the ass. Then of course tape the hell out of it over that plastic coating.

11) Multiple Alarms
I have sometimes read guys saying they actually use more then one alarm. This seems a bit overkill me, but honestly, its your investmen t. You must do whatever you can to protect it.

12) Flatbed.. .
I forgot this in the original draft of this FAQ this one is very important . Some thieves use tow trucks or flat beds to steal cars. Your best defense against this is to follow everythin g that you see here, properly adjust your alarms default shock sensor, and add a clifford Digital Tilt Sensor:
Motion sensors like the DEI 500T can detect changes in vehicle pitch as well:
(just FYI these are bitch to setup, but they really do work)
Unfortuna tley, as you may have already figured out, they might drive off with the car still making noise. This SUCKS because even the best setup security system cant fight against that.... or can it? that leads me to point 13.....

13) Important info about LoJack and other Tracking Technolog ies

Quote, originall y posted by Wes V

1. GPS in it's self is a receiving unit only!!! Think about those GPS units you can pick up for camping. The unit receives signals from a couple satellite s and computes your location. If you mount the unit in your car, then the car knows where it is. However unless your car has a method of getting that informati on to you, it's of no use!! On a system that uses GPS data, the car normally has to use a cell phone line to transmit the informati on.

2. Any system that counts on the police activatin g it shouldn't be used due to the fact that you have to wait for the police to have the time and interest in looking for your car. With LoJack, you have to go to a police station and file a written report of the car being stolen before they will do anything. Think about how much time that alone will take!

3. When shopping for any tracking system, find out what the process is for you to get the location or status of your car. In other words, if your cars alarm (assume it's silent) goes off, does your car contact the monitorin g company and they in turn contact you. How does the monitorin g company contact you? If you want the monitorin g company to track your car, do you have to go on the web to get the location or can you just call them and give an ID number. If the monitorin g company gets a signal that your car is stolen, will they contact the police if they can't contact you?

4. Do you want a monitorin g company to be able to shut down the car? Personall y, I'd say NO.

14) Vacations
Keep in mind if you go on vacation everythin g is on high alert. I often give one of my remotes to a trusted neighbor so he can disable the alarm in the event of a false trigger, since mine are usually really loud and I don't like getting tickets due to disgruntl ed people. Be respectfu l with your car and then when the alarm is going off for real you have a better chance of someone seeing the crime.

15) Mystery Tips!!
A user from another forum who wishes to remain anonymous sent me links on some of his tricks which are very good. Feel free to check out these links.

Very Clean Latching Fuel Cut Relay:
http://www.performanceforum.com/bob/bob5/bob5.html

Awesome Hidden Magnet Trick:
http://www.performanceforum.com/bob/bob6/bob6.html

And the main page with some general alarm info:
http://www.performanceforum.com/bob/
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Re: Security Tips/How to's
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2009, 11:05:22 am »
2) Myth #2:The car comes with an OEM steering wheel lock, that'll be enough.
The factory honda shift lock can be broken by a big enough dude, sorry if this freaks some of you out, but its common knowledge, so don't rely on it alone. Get a steering wheel cover and a matching club. The club alone is easily removed by chopping off 2 sections of the steering wheel. The additiona l wheel cover stops this from being possible. Also don't forget you can get a completel y removable steering wheel, if you dont mind carrying it.


plus any ef key can unlock the steering lock  ;)

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Re: Security Tips/How to's
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2009, 12:57:16 pm »
good add
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Re: Security Tips/How to's
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 06:03:06 pm »
another thing i dont like, and i dont like having anything to do with it. my ef sedan has 2 keys. a round door key and more square ignition key. neither keys work for the trunk lock inside, seat bass through, or the trunk access outside the car. leads me to believe that maybe my ignition was replaced? But my 91 sedan ignition key unlocked and drove my 91 hatch. no problem. i tried it in a 88 hatch and nothing happened. do i have a universal key to a ed(90-91) and some DA or DB integras? I hate knowing this is out there in the world. i wanna get another key made that just  opens my doors and drives MY car. and break that key. Is that possible maybe? I know this is inrelatin g but im very curious.

and to add to the killswitc h, its been done in my car. NOBODY knows where. and i love that piece of mind. I reccommen d following these simple, effective tips.

Great topic. and thanks
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Re: Security Tips/How to's
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2009, 06:26:35 pm »
But my 91 sedan ignition key unlocked and drove my 91 hatch. no problem. i tried it in a 88 hatch and nothing happened. do i have a universal key to a ed(90-91) and some DA or DB integras?

the ignition in the hatch is probably just worn out, my buddies 99 Si key would start my other buddies 90 crx but wouldnt unlock it. shit just wears out man
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Re: Security Tips/How to's
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 06:27:56 pm »
ok thats good to hear. i just didnt like knowing i could go hop in anyones car, not that i would... common courtesy.
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Re: Security Tips/How to's
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2009, 06:51:52 pm »
very nice info here thunderca t i will apply this to my hatch!!


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Re: Security Tips/How to's
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 09:09:53 pm »
^ u finally found it...
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Re: Security Tips/How to's
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2010, 11:18:23 pm »
Great topic. Really useful.

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Re: Security Tips/How to's
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2010, 07:47:00 am »
yeah good info. now no one talk about what theyve done. thieves are watching

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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2010, 09:47:28 am »
true dat.

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Re: Security Tips/How to's
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2010, 08:17:34 am »
in light of recent events i want to bump this thread... ....thiev es are everywher e ppl ......kee p your pride and joy in YOUR possessio n
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