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Title: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on August 16, 2012, 10:43:07 pm


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I had to buy this fucker from CA:


Fully built 1988 honda civic hatchback 5 speed. Gunmetal exterior and gray interior.
122k miles, clean title in my name, current tags and recently smogged.

b18 LS 1.8L sleeved by JG engine dynamics to 2.0L.
Forged pistons and rods
Ported and polished P8R head with crower cams
msd ignition
aem intake
type r style header
battery re-located to rear
racing bucket seats
2.5 inch exhaust
innoative mounts and traction bars
aluminum radiator
oil pressure, coolant temp, air/fuel ratio gauges



currently running on hondata s300

has power window conversio n also.

(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn252/ICurtis1963/040.jpg)

(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn252/ICurtis1963/civicwagon1370.jpg)

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Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: bigdare23 on August 16, 2012, 11:30:21 pm
Cali? Dang dude you were dedicated on finding a 88 lol
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: alex14 on August 16, 2012, 11:49:53 pm
you just dont do anything cheap do you? lol
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on August 17, 2012, 01:25:17 pm
BD, I really didn't have much of a choice:

Because I'm building a dedicated smf car, I pretty much had to get an 88 std.

This was the best one I could find (no rust).

This will save me between 100-200lbs from the get-go.

Alex, no it wasn't cheap.  I probably overpaid.
But hopefully once I swap over my goodies, I can sell my 91 si and whatever extra bits I have to recoup the funds.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Papa_Smurf on August 17, 2012, 05:20:09 pm
If you are building this for a race car, won't you be taking out all of the power window stuff?
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on August 17, 2012, 07:46:44 pm
If you are building this for a race car, won't you be taking out all of the power window stuff?

Yessir. 

It's pretty cool though.

I may put the power windows in my 91si.

It will really depend on how much trouble it ends up being.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Caged91ZC on August 17, 2012, 09:23:12 pm
Very nice Kenny. Pull that non-VTEC head and put the Type-R head on there with that superchar ger setup...
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on August 18, 2012, 11:08:21 am
I'm going to weigh it first before I decide on what motor will live here.

If really like to do a k24 swap, but just buying the car ate up a good chunk of my $.

I don't mind sharing that the car was listed for $3600 and that it cost me another $500 + a couple of favors to get her here.

I don't intend to ever sell it anyway.

Here's a couple pics of the strange mods:

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Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: JDMJAYDC2 on August 18, 2012, 07:01:15 pm
ahh nice jdm zc door panels  kinda weird to mount both of the window controls on one side but eh go figure seems like a solid buy...... ..those wheels are tempting i love rnrs
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on August 19, 2012, 02:54:44 pm
Weighed the car today thanks to Autoxmike on rrax:

2089 with 1/2 tank of gas. :)
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: rbwdriven on August 20, 2012, 07:38:09 am
glad it finally made it here.

I'm guessing by the look of the switches it has the universal kit for the power windows.

Good find Kenny.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on August 20, 2012, 11:24:36 am
The biggest thing that bothers me about this car is that the firewall VIN stamp isn't visible.

I guess bc the bay is painted, it's not showing.

I'm going to try and strip the paint chemicall y just to verify. 

The vins on the dash and door sill both match the title, but then again I'm a little OCD. 
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Papa_Smurf on August 20, 2012, 12:00:24 pm
Oh wow, I didn't even realize it was built nonvtec.

Does it have 403s or 404s... or 405s?

How does it pull? I had really good numbers for my setup.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: rbwdriven on August 20, 2012, 12:20:02 pm
Kenny,

Text me a picture like I did to you same location and see I can make anything out to see if it has been "worked"

Rich
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on August 20, 2012, 01:02:48 pm
Oh wow, I didn't even realize it was built nonvtec.

Does it have 403s or 404s... or 405s?

How does it pull? I had really good numbers for my setup.


No idea.  I'm trying to get more info on it.

I haven't taken it over 3500.

My buddy says it runs like a raped ape over 4k.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Papa_Smurf on August 20, 2012, 06:42:03 pm
Yeah I bet. Well if it doesn't idle like complete dog shit, then it's not 405's.

You can still make good power with nonvtec
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on August 20, 2012, 09:03:08 pm
The idle isn't bad.

What's a safe rev limit for forged rods on these bigger cranks?
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Papa_Smurf on August 22, 2012, 02:17:01 pm
If the idle isn't bad, and it makes really good power. I would say they are probably Crower 403s or 404s. Or They could be Brian Crower cams.

Well, I have a nonvtec b20, and my pops has a b20vtec. Both with stock rods.

Redline is set at 7800 because my cams stop making power at 7500. Pops' is set at 8500, with a b16 head, type R cams and dual valve springs.

I would imagine your block could take of that, being sleeved and forged rods.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Caged91ZC on August 29, 2012, 08:50:03 pm
The idle isn't bad.

What's a safe rev limit for forged rods on these bigger cranks?

Should be ale to take it to 9k with no problems as long as it has ARP fasteners on the forged rods, and dual valve springs. I would Dyno to see where it stops making power and rev about 200-300rmp less.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Papa_Smurf on August 30, 2012, 08:02:16 am
Should be ale to take it to 9k with no problems as long as it has ARP fasteners on the forged rods, and dual valve springs. I would Dyno to see where it stops making power and rev about 200-300rmp less.

*doh* , yes, ARP fasteners . Would love to see some dyno numbers of your setup.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on September 15, 2012, 11:44:36 am
I'd like to tune it for shits and giggles, but that might be wasted $ since I have another intended motor anyway...
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Caged91ZC on September 16, 2012, 12:31:27 pm
I'd like to tune it for shits and giggles, but that might be wasted $ since I have another intended motor anyway...

Dnt tune just Dyno to see wat it's making and where it's making it power in the powerband, makes for a good selling point when u decide to sell.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on September 24, 2012, 10:24:17 pm
If I were to dyno it, I'd at least try to tune it for an hour.

Anyway, the rules got changed for 2013: minimum weight got bumped up by 200lbs to make other chassis' competiti ve.   

This really sucks!   

Basically, I will need to be at 2100lbs to make minimum weight.   :/
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Caged91ZC on September 24, 2012, 11:26:40 pm
Wats the car weigh in its current state?
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on September 29, 2012, 12:29:59 pm
2089lbs with the 2L LS swap and full interior - no lightenin g done.  :/
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on October 07, 2012, 03:17:47 pm
Small update:

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/A8930103-F365-4E72-8D3C-6A9A9C746532-4004-0000031FD85D95E5.jpg)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/SMF/D2E03A47-A8CB-441D-ABDC-A9665B8B834D-4004-000003203B051851.jpg)

The short shifter felt a little notchy, so I added the circuit hero shifter extender and spoon duracon knob.

Feels good bro.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on October 07, 2012, 09:13:55 pm
Alex14 hooked me up with an 88 Lx power steering rack today.

I'll get some pics up shortly.
I'm hoping to add that with a steering quickener + mr2 electric ps pump and get it down to 2.5 turns lock to lock.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on October 25, 2012, 09:07:08 am
I snapped some quick pics yesterday of my 91 si (black) vs my 88 std (grey). 

There are some some subtle (and not so subtle) differenc es:

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(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/SMF/052C3305-E551-4AFB-88D8-581ACD990A17-643-00000081AC03B900.jpg)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/SMF/85ACC34D-BFD3-480C-AF43-82626D0F6BCD-643-00000081B36CA68B.jpg)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/SMF/2B65F7F2-CB4E-4AA2-951C-B6037FB8A17B-643-00000081BBAFA328.jpg)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/SMF/7A8CA383-8963-4DBD-A1BB-A463033D4674-643-00000081C3365EDF.jpg)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/SMF/BAFAA262-E8F8-4E72-9165-54C204CF4644-643-00000081CAF352FA.jpg)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/SMF/04277931-34D6-4C0C-AD45-6B5103105156-643-00000081D37A32CB.jpg)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/SMF/D17DBC68-07E7-493C-AF20-844A9A76A809-643-00000081D9BF84A0.jpg)

One thing that stands out to me is that the front end of the 88 is shorter.
It's like 4" shorter overhang even though the wheelbase is the same!
That is quite significa nt IMO - especiall y for autox when trying to not hit cones. 

I also took a quick look under the 88; it has h&r springs and itr style rear lca'a.
It also doesn't have a front or rear swaybar.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: wiggles on October 25, 2012, 08:56:28 pm
I bought that same shifter extension for my hatchhow does it feel I haven't  put my shift linkage on yet to see how it does
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Mass13 on October 25, 2012, 11:55:07 pm
I like the flares on the black si  8)
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on October 26, 2012, 08:08:32 am
I bought that same shifter extension for my hatchhow does it feel I haven't  put my shift linkage on yet to see how it does


It feels pretty good to me.

I can't give a direct compariso n right now because this car came with some kind of short shifter when I picked it up. 

But the weigh of the shifter extension does bother me - especiall y since I bought the duracon knob to save weight. 

Yes, I'm that meticulou s about weight.

I'm not happy about having to add weight back in with the hf front swaybar and some kind of rear swaybar - maybe I can go hollow in the rear.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on October 28, 2012, 08:51:45 am
I traded my spare set of bronze itr wheels for these:

Buddy Club P1 wheels:

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15x7 et+35

I couldn't stand to look at the steelies any longer.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: rbwdriven on October 28, 2012, 11:43:34 am
I liked the sleeper look.

Good to see ya yesterday .
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on November 03, 2012, 08:59:44 am
It was good hangin with you Richard.

Lmk if you go back to PaP anytime soon.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on November 11, 2012, 01:53:25 pm
Tuesday I had to replace the alternato r on the side of the road. 

http://instagr.am/p/RtaStvFJlY/

No fun.

Yesterday I rewired the gauges and installed heater controls.

Yay my heat works now.


http://instagr.am/p/R3XrJsFJg0/


Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Papa_Smurf on November 13, 2012, 09:54:20 pm
Ken I sent you a friend request on FB. I need to send you some stuff about a track day. Alan Vanderhav e
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on December 24, 2012, 12:47:45 pm
I picked up a couple goodies for Christmas:

15x10 Keizer wheels and AEM EMS

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/wheels/4ED55C12-FB3E-4ACD-A374-FE0AFB4DD58A-241-000000F0738CE207.jpg)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/wheels/8BD4386B-7172-44D7-944E-EF749279435C-241-000000F09F8C7F7F.jpg)

Now I just need a new set of 275/35/15 Hoosiers. ..
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: bigdare23 on December 26, 2012, 12:54:38 pm
Come Ken, you need better pics of the wheels!
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: alex14 on December 26, 2012, 05:19:30 pm
Those are some serious wheels. Did you ever find cam keys? if so where did you get them?
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on December 27, 2012, 01:37:21 pm
Yeah I bought new cam keys from the dealershi p.   :/
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: alex14 on December 27, 2012, 05:44:35 pm
how much did that set you back?
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on December 28, 2012, 01:02:51 pm
I believe they were under $4 each.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: alex14 on December 28, 2012, 06:27:21 pm
oh sweet. Thats not bad at all.

P.S.
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=3035287
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on January 22, 2014, 01:42:20 pm
Small update:

I got some karcepts DA 5 lug conversio n hubs for 36mm / 28 spline axles:

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/EF/5C42AEFB-9912-404A-901B-ED8D7481270C_zpsiosfy4yl.jpg) (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/Black_R/media/EF/5C42AEFB-9912-404A-901B-ED8D7481270C_zpsiosfy4yl.jpg.html)

I'm going to use them with DA abs knuckles to get my front geometry where I want it.


I also got a wings west mugen style kit that I'm undecided on what to do with:

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/EF/031C1455-B682-4E38-BA92-A2222652292B_zpsdmy81ior.jpg) (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/Black_R/media/EF/031C1455-B682-4E38-BA92-A2222652292B_zpsdmy81ior.jpg.html)


And I got a couple of sets of wheels that I'm going to sell eventuall y, but threw on to take pics for a fs ad:

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/wheels/327A497E-5031-4DA8-9176-3F3EB8CF248B_zpsgmy406uk.jpg) (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/Black_R/media/wheels/327A497E-5031-4DA8-9176-3F3EB8CF248B_zpsgmy406uk.jpg.html)


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/wheels/BA820D23-7DCF-413A-BE7F-55745BC56A39_zpsywtx0syp.jpg) (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/Black_R/media/wheels/BA820D23-7DCF-413A-BE7F-55745BC56A39_zpsywtx0syp.jpg.html)
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Bus Driver J on January 23, 2014, 08:24:54 am
I love that body kit, Ill eventuall y have one for my hatch. First one Ive seen with the Adidas logo cut into the side skirt though... lol
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on January 23, 2014, 09:40:05 am
BDJ, I wasn't thrilled to see those cutouts - especiall y since I prefer Nike - but the deal was too good to pass up; and the kit was already painted the same color as my grey car.

I figure I can easily cover / fill them or something, and they're actually well done.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: rbwdriven on January 23, 2014, 11:55:50 am
but it will make the kit more rare for the resale value.

Rare 1 of a kind Adidas body kit.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on May 04, 2017, 10:41:13 am
So I got a set of FEELS rear overfende rs from a random fb fs post.

Mocked up:

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/SMF/3E0BA29A-94ED-4036-B2A4-E398F768F6F9_zps38fccxck.jpg) (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/Black_R/media/SMF/3E0BA29A-94ED-4036-B2A4-E398F768F6F9_zps38fccxck.jpg.html)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/SMF/F2B79A9D-B5F7-44A6-8A35-5D7E7D19F4B7_zpsqlez9poo.jpg) (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/Black_R/media/SMF/F2B79A9D-B5F7-44A6-8A35-5D7E7D19F4B7_zpsqlez9poo.jpg.html)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/SMF/60204A26-2C54-4142-AE52-3D473E9DC5E9_zpswjonfhla.jpg) (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/Black_R/media/SMF/60204A26-2C54-4142-AE52-3D473E9DC5E9_zpswjonfhla.jpg.html)


Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: rbwdriven on May 04, 2017, 07:50:56 pm
Kenny,

All your cars are going to look like they are on roids.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: Black R on May 05, 2017, 11:47:37 am
They kinda are...

I might use this kit on the 91si though - it will cover the rear quarter damage that car has and look pretty good imo.
Title: Re: My new project: 1988 civic std
Post by: rbwdriven on May 05, 2017, 07:17:25 pm
totally agree there on that.

A buddy that i work with does solo racing.

He told me have you ever seen this black civic hatch...S ame look as you car.

It looks like hell.  But it is a beast.